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Here we will inquire into the mind, the human, the world and life as a whole. Feel free to join. As friends we can look into everything.
J Krishnamurti: If we admit that our brains are not my particular brain but the brain that has evolved through millennia.
D Bohm: Well let me say why this doesn't communicate so easily: everybody feels that the content of his brain is in some way individual, that he hasn't gone through all that. Let's say that somebody thousands of years ago went through science or philosophy. Now how does that affect me? That is what is not clear. K: Because I am caught in this self-centred narrow little cell, which refuses to look beyond. B: That is the thing which has been going on. K: But you come along and tell me, as a scientist, as a religious man, that your brain is the brain of mankind. B: Yes and all knowledge is the knowledge of mankind. So that in some way we have all knowledge. K: Of course. B: Not in detail, of course. K: So you tell me that, and I understand what you mean, not verbally, not intellectually, I know - not know, it is so. But I come to that only when I have given up ordinary things like nationality, you know. B: Yes we have given up the divisions and we can see that our experience is of all mankind. from `The ending of time' Ojai 1980
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The importance of change is a subject that concerns us all if we see we are part of common humanity? We most of us are seeking something that boils down to the same thing? We are seeking inner peace, even in a goal, or a plan, or a purpose in life possibility without even knowing it is all the same pursuit in thought even if we all mistakenly think we are pursuing a different thing ? The desire to know what to do about our common problems is the desire to be satisfied that we know what to do? We are satisfied with to be or not to be theories that are identically dissimilar, but both advocating self building .Can you See that yourselves ?
We most want to be certain,secure in thought. Secure in our lives and there is no such thing? Do you see that ? There is only comfort which never provides security, or certainty or real inner peace in any disturbance, or upsetting happening in life .Do you see that as well ? Maybe we think we can make a plan to achieve an inner change that is stimulated by inspiration, backed by self will, and effort? A consciously made change because of a goal that never produces an end to desire, or seeking or real inner change, or leads to the state of inner peace for all of us ? We'll see what happens together.
What would it be to build a new society ? It seems like such a megalomaniacal pursuit to intentionally try to create a new society? But they all start small, every society in the world started with a few even if not intentionally trying they have to learn to cooperate? So can simple human beings factually cooperating together start small psychologically not technically yet ? Can we break it down so it is closer ? If you have a loving relationship that is not biological and not commercial with anyone and your negating everything invented that divides, and adds to inequality are you not without trying to actually forming a new relationship that is a new society ?
One hundred men said better to die free than to live as English slaves subservient to Britain and royalty . That was something they all saw together ? So regardless of what the end result was, or how polluted that idea became because of puritans, and migrating so called King James believers, and religious bigots, Christians burning heretics dissenters and witches, owning slaves, raping the Indian women, and killing the men showing inequality towards women, and more vain snobbery themselves .
Those original men and women cooperated in starting a new society by saying freedom was more important to die for than living as slaves even though they did not consider women, and black slaves as equals to white Caucasian men, or equal human beings. Human beings who should also be allowed to live free, or even see the right thing to do with the white men as equals would be to see and make the correct choice for themselves, to die for freedom themselves, or even live to speak about a real freedom for everybody on earth not just for themselves .
Can you even imagine having one hundred people saying psychologically we accept no more brainwashing or nationalistic government interference, or pledges of blind loyalty, in our lives towards idolatry, or brainwashing. No more religious interference, or intolerance in our lives, no more wars, no more losses of freedom of speech, freedom of dissent, or governmental unreasonable regulation of dissenters by keeping them out of the news , and we are willing to die for that, because we see it is absolutely necessary to live that way ? Can you see any two is a start ? :-)
Yes my friends the order I know is the known . The past creating order. Learning by experience, memorization, cooperation with ideas . The order of the organism, biological order, and universal order, so called cosmic order, or the order in creation and nature is not in my psyche constructed of words. Natural order I know nothing about. I factually don't know what order is but i am aware of disorder, chaos, disease and see what is, is a nightmare of disorder in mankind as myself .
A conditioning in knowing . A conditioning in loyalty , and a cause of division, in each his, and her, inner as well as external world and daily life, and neurotically divided masses thought invented as a factual man invented world. Most of us are opposed to our own home planet and nature living a double life . A nature we claim to love cannibalizing our cousins, hunting them to extinction, causing genocide, raping the earth for resources claiming to love our great mother Earth .
Treating her, our cousins fellow mankind, as a servant. Treating our beautiful earth as a picnic ground. A ground we mostly never clean up ourselves. So; even if we keep our little nests in almost perfect external obsessive cleanliness, and mow our yards, and lawns, manicure our lawns, and clean them every week. Even if we have near perfect gardens, and farms with all the latest machinery and chemicals. The most deadly fertilizers, the toughest genetically altered seeds, growing poisonous vegetables, and calling that good biologically engineered chemically cloned McDonald fast food it is still not biological order, not healthy or good for us .
No we don't know what real order is because we don't know yet fully what care, Love, compassion and cooperation beyond ideas and conditioning really is? We don't yet know the self of thoughts limitations.Only because we are mostly fragmented, and disconnected from a reality, that is not invented living in cultic masses, hypnotized groups, conditioned living, partially self accepted, while some is enforced by man made religious edicts and laws .
Yes some of us are inquiring, and exploring into this whole mess, we call the chosen life .Not because we know the solutions but we see the solutions are not in the known which is factually really only the past. We don't know but We'll see together what is and let that seeing in the real now a seeing not from the known that can act by letting what is seen be the fact that must change our actions, or source not us react and attempt to change the fact with the past .
Thank you all for being kind enough to listen on this experiment. Listen to a few cries from our own brothers, and sisters, Even listen to my rants even though we are confused too, and all crying out in this immense invented chaos, and darkness, inquiring, exploring, detecting into the known yourselves. Questioning if there really is a a new way to live individually free from the known ? I don't know . We'll see together my caring friends. .We'll see but seeing, and knowing are not from the same fertile new field as We'll see . knowing is from a commercial mentality, invented by other psyches in memory . We'll see is from awareness or it has a hope in it that is never from We'll see, or not knowing and awareness of being a detective in a real unknown mystery . :-)
I was accused of being a propagandist by a self professed nobody . So what is propaganda if its not the attempt to influence someone to believe you, or believe in you, or believe in anyone else and not learn to be an individual and think for ourselves ? Is that poor man really learning for himself or is he just another poor lost human being visiting K. websites not able to really think for himself, or a wise man understanding a few things, learning but not seeing well yet himself ? If your an idiot you tell others not to influence you or accuse them of being a propagandist . If your wiser less juvenile you see your a propagandist when you do that because your trying to influence them to think differently or swap their thinking for yours ? Your not really pointing to the absolute necessity to be thinking for themselves when your blind yourself and you accuse people that saw some of the same things K. saw of repeating propaganda themselves ? I listen to those that repeat without seeing also . I do not say they are propagandists because I listen to what they say and see it is similar to K. Isn't it the responsibility of the poor, to find out why they have no contact with pure good feelings, no real affection for each other, and their fellow man, nature, and their animal cousins or dying earth ? Is that propaganda ? Is that repeating ?
We are certain that the working people of South Africa, who are struggling to defeat the legacies of Apartheid, who want free, compulsory and quality education, decent housing, shelter, health, clothing, Nationalisation of mines and other key sectors of our economy and all the other basic amenities of life, are with you in your struggle to first unify your country and inspire the freedoms of all in the world under a just and equitable world order. The people of South Africa will not forget the support you gave to us during our struggle against Apartheid.
We say to all the Korean people fighting for peace and justice, Victory is Certain. Amandla, Awethu!!
All Power to the People
Statement
issued on behalf of the ANC YL: International Relations Desk by Abner Mosaase:
Secretary for International Relations, December 22 2011 "
"Krinsh disliked the very idea of Christmas and made us all quite uncomfortable
about it; and all the underlying tensions in our house seemed to be squeezed to
the surface by this now empty celebration. But what Krinsh lacked in Christmas
spirit he made up for in small daily rituals; the early morning flowers for my
mother and the single beautiful rose, fragrant with morning dew, on her
birthdays. He told me one should never smell a flower before it is given in
order not to detract anything from it." Radha Sloss
When you begin to wake up after a nights sleep you feel everything more intensely. After a few failures, shocks in life we begin to wake up in this nightmare. We may want to escape. As things break down outside we hear people say things will get better . As we break down physically we hear people say things will get better. As we break down mentally we hear people say things will get better . In awareness and dispassionate observation we can see everything in life has a beginning, a middle, and an end and everything invented by the mind of mankind is trying to prevent that inevitable end, or preserve it and live alongside or with the old .
An example is British Royalty . Only the English still maintain that illusion while the rest of the world watches and fantasizes about princes marrying new wanna be queens, or kings in waiting choosing their queen by looking for the girl that fits into his glass slipper. Only ignorant minds still believe in Popes Rabbis, Mullahs, Nuns, Monks in white or colorful robes, and Royalty, or empires, or women forced to dress from head to toe in clothes even in hot sweltering climates .Laws invented by men called mandatory religious edicts, rules to be enforced in mankinds worldly courts, punishments for violating them, include death, stoning, the cutting off of hands, crucification , cutting off of heads, drowning, and torture and these things are still going on all over our beautiful but divided by mmankind earth with its military borders and boundaries .
All this chaos believers think is from so called gods. Not the liars or their prophets, and interpreters, and middle men or old books full of a little logic but mostly all superstition, hearsay, gossip, embellished fishing, and warring, and hunting, tales, and myths about extremely violent saints like St, Joan of Arc Or David, Samson, and Moses . All inventions of idolatrous men and their possessions they called playmates, child bearers, caretakers, or servants we know as their supportive women. Some ancient monsters and even modern ones have Harems. All the traditional religions, the established empirical monstrous ones. They were all invented originally by men even if a woman invented some of their ideas or helped in inventing more complex decorations, and hymns, and added color, female voices, and incense, and smells, to their rituals .
Their are so called religious men, living like immature selfish monsters voluntarily supporting the Islamic nations, or so called Christian nations, Jewish nations, or trying to restore the Spanish Catholic empire. Some want to Restore the Whole German homeland and Nazi empire , and others want to bring back the fundamentalism of the religious bigot living by the old books with its ugly inhumane treatment of other human beings all over the world. All the ugly systems are maintained by a few trying to breathe life back into their ugly systems and empires without letting them come to their rightful end .
Only the mental stubbornness of human beings accepts these failing pyramid systems of loyal subjects as a necessity in the world . We put most everything in the past technically in museums, except what thought invented psychologically to build religions nations, empires and all these pernicious systems of belief and ideological failures . We mostly all live in and defend the past .Its time to put beliefs and ideological systems that make any pattern of royalty even monetary systems, into museums. The pursuit of Money and power, the having of them does not produce truth peace or make the owners happy. The unhappiness of the holders of status, royalty, or the children and wielders of the power, of their rich parents or royalty, are mostly spoiled and insanely unbalanced. The passed down leadership roles to these children causes chaos .
They continue reinventing the poor, causing poverty by wielding their parents or grandparent power. Inherited from traditional inheritance as the supposed right human beings to accept as leaders, and follow . There is no such thing as a chosen noble man, or noble woman on earth, or a blue blood child or chosen child, or the status that mankind invented, in any position of governing, or education, or religion, or marriage on earth . Royalty is a myth in any form on earth even the royalty of the religious, and the wealthy or the religious and wealthy or the powerful in communism, or the communist and socialist elite. All the powerful holding status, power and positions in their own hierarchies are corrupt .
Those dictating, leading others with an iron handed will , with their own children in succession as future leaders in their own positions of power, even in Islamic nations like the new as well as the old Iraq, and Afghanistan will not be turning them into fair nations at all, and were not conquered by one. No fair nation would leave them all to continue their own civil wars, in utter turmoil Just like Viet Nam, South America, The Baltic's, Georgia, Somalia, Africa, Egypt, Korea, and the Sudan, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, South Africa, divided and buying arms, and trading oil with the U,K. Australia, Chinese, Japanese, India, or Americans, and Russians.
Who are all profiting and prospering from their horrible, and ghastly civil wars Let us put psychological authoritarianism in the museum, along with religious and ideological totalitarianism and allow it to come to its rightful end together, as wide broad scientists explorers detectives and real inquirers into the whole of life . Seeing together not needing a Dr. a doctorate, or a diploma in life even if we have them . See together not be a leader or need a Watson, to make us only look good, or verify us, as real Inquirers. Let us see together as Dispassionately as we can, real unviased inquiry is an art in life even if its very difficult to have one with others, since most of us are ever, or hardly ever in the same place on the map, or on the same page, at the same time with the same interest or intensity on any given subject . Happy New year to you all . :-)
Nature, as well as the social self hypnotized man and woman is not the anonymous,it is the known that needs our help . A few things that came in insights provided by the anonymous gave mankind insights TO cooperate together not believe together, make war together, not help violently start another partial revolution against our fellow mankind no matter how mentally enslaved they are to these pernicious ideological divisive systems . Not to do great harm but good for all of mankind .Not support the wealth health, or the personality of one individual .
Examples are the wheel,electricity, Penicillin, to give us an idea of the great beauty in the anonymous even though we know these things, creations from insights. Can also be used negatively, to cause great harm to our fellow mankind . The anonymous will never be violent even though some think you are violent for disagreeing with their personal false belief systems, and personal ideology or picketing for fair treatment . I am a self taught amateur at writing, but frail and not young enough to do some of the things young people can do even though I see you have a wonderful start at something new.
The truly anonymous is ever new. A new good movement of good human beings acting anonymously globally, can nurture and care for others as well as cooperate with nature and aid nature to bring back some needed health to our great and beautiful earth. Even add a real sense of purpose, not another ideological pursuit to all your own lives . We also absolutely have to stay new every day ourselves to be really anonymous in life in a really goodness oriented way . It is not a choice, or belief, it is the only way to change ourselves and be aligned with a movement of global goodness and intelligent care in life .
The real ground of all life is the magnificent creative anonymous clean energy that does not come from a personal goal, rubbing a belief together with others, or against them to make war, or any self righteous cause in life . It is wonderful to stay new because non violence is intelligence acting in life to even when that intelligent wave is defending all of you to helping you see, and act intelligently with many more options than fight or flight, faster than others can think, or respond to attack you .Earth needs you all . :-)
Fundamentally the icing on the conditions that invented the me, my cake, and mine are . I am my sex, race, nation, or creed . In a deeper way I am the psychological double standards, the ideas principles, and idealism, taught by my invented nation, or invented creed, about my race, or sexual identity, my role in life depending on my male or female traits, the orthodoxy, or openness and tolerance of those that conditioned me the most deeply. They were those whom I believed in adored, or really liked, and respected as a child. They were The books I read as well . If they were conditioned themselves they could not have been to wise and sorry that is just a fact not a condemnation of our parents fiends and grandparents .
Those others advised me and rightly, or wrongly believed in fitting in or adjusting with their own personal preferences and particularized thought.They accepted only some of their man invented religions, and nations, and social, political, and economic systems ideas, and beliefs but not all anyone can see that .Examples of countries that enforce most all their propaganda and dogma, and rhetoric and impose forced belief in government schools, and by law on the populace and use psychologists to train people to conform or put them ion political prisons are Iran, and North Korea.
The more mechanical a society is the more it says live by our books even if one says serve Allah. That Allah is invented by men and only in their books and hypocritical, meaningless thoughts, bigotry , prejudice and useless words, and outer mischief, and dirty deeds not a real living entity alive in their lives today helping them learn today . Even if they say serve the state they mean serve their leaders because their leaders become little Gods saying who must live, and who must die, and who must get more, and who
must get little, even who must replace them in power. Who in their own unequal societies should rule them with iron gloves . In truth I am a thinking animal, or a human being. All other labels are man invented, man made acquired, taught, accrued possessions, and attachments that cause division, chaos and disorder .
It is very easy to rid ourselves of a general label like a race or nationality, or saying we are no longer a Christian, a Muslim, a Hindu, or Jew, A Buddhist A theosophist ,a Scientologist, or any one of their thousands of multiplying spin off sects which really are all cults. Even those saying they are no longer a loyal national logo, continue thinking partially like their factually immoral rotten societies that favor the wealthy and the powerful over the rights and fairness even to their own poor, and weak and weaker, or poorer nations on earth .
So this is simply put a word picture, or map of shallow conditioning, but certainly not a complete map . Any map will be limited and as you discover things newly for yourselves you will have the energy to go on in your inquiry together, with others or alone You will be listening, and learning and seeing yourselves like great detectives not because of anyone, but yourselves. Simply put you want to learn and began new today, you Love the truth more than you want to keep spreading the propaganda, and advocating the invented beliefs, conditioning fragmentation and all the divisive lies . :-)
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Merry Christmas Bobby..please do not hurt yourself loading the sled!:) 
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